[slickmisc] Answering a Critic About: WHY JUDEO-CHRISTIAN SUPPORT WAR

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Dear readers,

At the risk of reopening the thread that I tried so hard to close because I thought objectivity was being replaced by galvanizing subjectivity, I'd be remiss had I not passed the below message on.

It is odd to be attacked by extremists on both sides of these arguments. (I've even had to do remove some from the lists, something no list owner likes doing.) Right wing antisemites and left wing pro-Israel zealots have nothing to contribute to this list.

IMHO, Israel's failed policy of dealing with their neighbors ensures their off-spring and their off-spring's off-spring more of the same. That is not anti-Jewish. It may me anti-Likkud, but not antisemetic.

It goes without saying, a little nation of 5 million can't afford 100 F-16's or 80 Abrams tanks. My strongest condemnation goes to those arm merchants that have sought to impose a military solution which is impractical due to the numbers. 
Now, on to those smarter than I.

And since I re-opened the thread, everyone is welcome to respond via Slick-R, even Jack. Let's just try to be more persuasive than argumentive.

Rich Martin
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Subject: RIGHT POINT: A Critic, Why Judeo-Christians Support War

Answering a Critic About: WHY JUDEO-CHRISTIAN SUPPORT WAR 
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WHTT has chosen several thoughtful but critical letters to answer. We are grateful to those who have written. Your letters to our critic will be forwarded to him, address replies to (carlsoncharles@excite.com)-The Editor.

MR JACOB ROGINSKY WROTE IN PART:

"---ACTUALLY, ANY RESENTMENT TOWARD YOU FOR THE UNFLATTERING MESSAGE ABOUT THE JEWISH PEOPLE NOTWITHSTANDING, I SHARE YOUR THE FRUSTRATION OVER THE CORRUPTION OF THE POLITICAL ESTABLISHMENT AND WISH WE WERE FRIENDS, INSTEAD OF ADVERSARIES OF SORTS.

I AM PROUD OF BEING A JEW, AND IT IS MY SINCERE BELIEF THAT THE NEGATIVE STEREOTYPES AND FAIR CRITICISM NOTWITHSTANDING, THE JEWS ARE THE CONSCIENCE OF THIS WORLD. OUR POSITIVE CONTRIBUTIONS THE WORLD OVER ARE COMPLETELY DISPROPORTIONATE TO OUR NUMBER. WE ARE MUCH MORE LIKELY TO SPEAK OUT AGAINST OPPRESSION, CORRUPTION AND HYPOCRISY THAN MOST OTHER GROUPS." (Full context of Roginsky letter is published on the We Hold These Truths website)

WHTT REPLIES:

Dear Mr. Roginsky,

First of all, I too hope we can be friends and do not in any way consider you an adversary. I respect you for writing. Many who call themselves Christians will not write but only withdraw and will not hear what we say because they take as personal our documentation of apostasy among Christians. You did write, to your credit.

Most of your eight challenges of our auricle on the Christian Zionist Scofield Bible is available on our website. One of particular importance, number (8) will be answered in subsequent research papers on this very important question. Some of your questions have already been answered, to the best of our ability, in the hundred of more articles we have on our site, which you probably have not read I would guess. You can use our topical, keyword search engine on our site. Because you are a busy man you may also call me if you wish. 

I do wish to respond personally to the statement you made about your pride in your Jewish heritage in your August 14th letter. It is obviously important to you to assert this because you have repeated it.

Your pride in being a Jew, or any other religion, is respected here. I for one do not overlook the positive contributions of your society, which you speak so strongly. It is clear that you separate yourself from other Americans when you speak of your group's accomplishments and achievements. There is nothing wrong with ethnic pride, which I trust we have all experienced. But if you wish to make such a claim, namely that Jews as a group stand against oppression, you should then be prepared to take responsibility for the acts of your subgroup when these act are not so noble. If you as Jews are the "conscience of the world," as you put it, then you have a responsibility to control the irresponsible, conscienceless elements within your own society. Do you agree, or do you not think that such acts are being done?

Obviously you believe you have a positive society, and I have no reason to argue that, or to characterize your Jewish society in any other way. You will notice that WHTT makes outspoken criticism only of the acts of the self-proclaimed "Zionist" faction here and abroad, and we speak often about these acts. To the extent that our criticism of the documented and unspeakably cruel acts of world Zionism brushes off on you, we cannot help that. If you do not join us in resisting obvious evil, you deserve it. 

One example is the murder on the morning of August 28th of a fatherless family of four in Gaza. They were killed by four tank shells while they were sleeping in a tent in a olive grove. The Zionist Israelis, supported by Zionist Americans and Christians Zionists, first drove this family from their home, probably destroying it and killing or arresting the father. Then they murdered the mother and children who have been reduced to the unbelievable poverty of living in a tent. I want to know if this strikes at your conscience, Mr. Roginsky?

It is not enough for any of us to speak out against the "oppression, corruption and hypocrisy" of others. We must personally speak out against these faults when they come from Jews who call themselves Zionists, or whatever they choose to call themselves. If you don't, how are you better then they? 

In asserting this I make no excuses for those who profess Christianity and make evil. Christians have a standard we must live up to called Christ. I, as a former business-man, former soldier, and believer in Jesus Christ share in the acts of business-men, professing Christians, politicians, and even the military, if I apologize for, or fail to speak out to expose their evil deeds. If I want clean hands I must use my hands to oppose evil, else I can not expect a just God to hold me blameless. Does not your Torah say this too? 

Jesus said "in as much as you have done this to the least of my brothers you have done this to me." This cuts for both good and evil, as he explained, and as brothers He means all of mankind, not any one race.

I also recently visited Gaza and can see in my mind's eye the place where today's murder took place. I have shared what I learned in a series called INSIDE THE GAZA STRIP. And I can tell you there are growing resistance and condemnation from Jewish businessmen in Israel to these acts. 

If you have any doubt that Jews are committing and causing acts of evil in Israel and elsewhere, I can forward to you many statements from prominent Rabbi's, Israeli military, and Jewish writers who are much more critical of your society than I could ever be. I am appending one by Rabbi, Jonathan Sacks, who spoke out only yesterday.

We Hold These Truths practices what we preach by leveling our strongest charge, not at your "Jewish" society or even at the world Zionist killers, but at the Christian Pharisees who support evil in the name of Jesus Christ. 

Let us both agree to work for peace. We plan to concentrate on what we know best, the apostasy of Christian leaders. We pray that you will do the same concentrating upon Jewish and Zionist leaders, as many responsible Jew are now doing. 

I respect you for taking the time to read what we write and for telling me what is on your heart.

Toward the strait gate,
C. E. Carlson


“The Source of Our War Problem: Why Judeo-Christians Do Not Demand Peace,” A Special Report: by C. Ce. Carlson
How a convicted serial forger was used to falsify and corrupt the Christian Bible. The report details the role of the Oxford University Press owned Scofield Bible in controlling Christian thought, effectively creating Christian Zionism from the ranks of the emerging evangelicalism, and how it was then transformed into radical anti-Islamic bias. Special attention is given to the war role of the Southern Baptist Convention and of prominent televangelists. This report may be the first to compare the several successive editions of the Scofield Reference Bible since 1908, to demonstrate a pernicious, pro-Israel political bias inserted between the lines of the respected King James Edition. It makes a strong case for laying the responsibility for the Mideast wars upon the leadership of American churches. A must for every Pastor and lay-leader. 12- page Pamphlet, “Fall, 2002”, $6.00 each, 10 x $25.00, 100 x $175.00

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